Episode 78: John Kirkland – This Instant Is What Matters

Young John Kirkland

  • Jake gives Beachstylers in San Diego a big thumbs up!
  • We continue our conversation with John Kirkland, who is known for being an originator of new moves.
  • John talks about how even though certain people have the reputation of throwing surprises, it really is an inclusive process.
  • Jake asks John to share some of his experiences playing with prior partners. It is not surprising that the experiences range from frustrating to magical.
  • John shares some of his favorite Rose Bowl memories, but upon reflections, he realizes that it was all about the journey, not the few minutes of competition.
  • Being present and in the moment with friends is a great message for all of us to takeaway.

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Beach Stylers 2018 Videos and Results

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Open Pairs Semi

Open Pairs Finals

Turbo Shred – All

Airbrush Race – All


Mob-Op Idol Categories with Winners – 2018

(runners-up in parentheses)

Zen Master (Best Man Overall) Jake Gauthier 12 total votes
Disc Diva Deluxe (Best Woman Overall) Amy Schiller 13 total votes
Kinder Setter (Makes others play better) Bob Boulware 6 total votes

(Jay 3 votes)

Clamp-O-Matic (Timeliest Catches) Dave Lewis 3 total votes
Zzzzs Wiz (Throwing Wizardry) Harry S. 7 total votes

(Pavel 3 votes)

Energizer (Human Jam Battery) Brett Schramek 4 total votes

(tied with Bob)

Death Jammer (Most Calories Burned) Johnny Trevino 7 total votes

(schillz 4 votes)

  Amazing Grace (Divine Form and Flow) Julianna Korver 3 total votes

(Brian, Jesse, & Amy-2 votes each)

Sweet Butta Rolls (Rolling Prowess) Joel Rogers 4 total votes

(tie w/Bob, Gus 3 votes)

Flash (Athletic/Technical Savvy) Pavel Baranyk 8 total votes

(Johnny & schillz-3 votes each)

SuperSaver (Tenacious Recoveries) Mike Galloupe 4 total votes

(Johnny & Dave L-3 votes each)

Bust-a-Move (Outstanding New Jammer/Most improved) Kim Larkin 3 total votes

(3 way tie of previous years winners)

Yoda (Disc-pencer of Jamming Wisdom) John Anthony 5 total votes

Open Pairs – featuring schillz’s custom binary system 

[only the top 10, 1-10, difficulty phrase scores are averaged, and execution (.02 point deduction for a drop, .01 point deduction for a bobble or “the”) is deducted from a “perfect” 1 point (instead of 10) and used as a multiplier against an averaged, 5 category, (teamwork, form, flow, vibe and variety), 1-10 point, artistic subtotal, to get an artistic impression score. Add the difficulty to the execution deducted, AI score for a team’s total score]

Semi pool A

7th – Kim & Charles Logan                        25 points

6th – Dave Zeff & Jesse S.                         28.1 points

5th – Jay Hinkle & Gerry Geare               30.1 points

4th – Billy Caplin & Joel Rogers               31 points

3rd – Brett & Brian McElwain                      34.1 points

2nd – Harry & Pavel                                  39.3 points  

1st – Dave Lewis & Jim Dodelson               41 points

Semi pool B

6th – Tim Troy & Gus                                  19.4 points

5th – Julianna Korver & Rick LeBeau          22.9 points

4th – Marie Geare & Danny Miles                 25.2 points

3rd – Amy Schiller and Lori Daniels              32.7 points

2nd – Mike Galloupe & Johnny Trevino         36 points

1st – Jake Gauthier & schillz                         43.4 points


8th – Marie & Danny                                      14.4 points

7th – Billy and Joel                                         14.7 points …….and, no, they didn’t play to Billy Joel…. ;~}

6th – Amy & Lori                                             17.3 points 

5th – Brett and Brian                                       18.4 points

4th – Mike and Johnny                                    22.2 points

3rd – Dave L. & Jimmy D.                                 23.4 points

2nd Pavel & Harry                                           26.4 points

1st Jake & schillz                                             26.5 points

Air Brush Race

Pool Winners

#1 – Pavel

#2 – Rick

#3 – Jake

#4 – Billy


4th – Billy

3rd – Rick

2nd – Jake

1st – Pavel


semi pool A                          Average best score

8th – Kim                                         no catch

7th – Brett                                          71.0

6th – Charles                                     75.8

5th – Johnny                                      83.8

4th – Jimmy D.                                   84.8

3rd – Amy                                           85.5

2nd – Pavel                                        87.5

1st – Jake                                           87.8

semi pool B

8th – Lori                                            71.5

7th – Danny                                        74.3

6th – Mike                                           76

4th (tie) – Brian                                    77.5

4th (tie) – Harry                                    77.5

3rd – Julianna                                      79.8

2nd – Zeff                                             81.3

1st – Dave L.                                        90.8


4th – Zeff                                             77.0

3rd – Pavel                                         89.3

2nd – Jake                                          92.2

1st – Dave L.                                       93..8

Episode 77: Chipper Bro Bell – Get Hein or Bail


Photo by Scott Star

The conversation continues with the delicious Chipper Bro Bell. He talks about how his game developed while touring and competing with the Bud Light Team. 

  • Hear how the chemistry between he and Joey allowed their spontaneous routines to lead them to victory.
  • Chip, Jake, & Randy really get into talking about consecutivity, what it feels like to each of them, and how they make it work. 
  • The flow is the focus, not the catch.  How do you convey this to a new player? 
  • Chipper comments on the European players, and how their passion reminds him of the 1970’s in the U.S. 
  • It’s all about sharing and inviting others to in.

Thanks to all those that have helped make the live streams a reality; it’s hard to believe there have already been 13 this year! Just so you know, the Podcast is now every other week so Jake & Randy have time to focus on other exciting projects.  Be sure to watch the Beachstylers live stream on October 6th & 7th.  

Beach Stylers 2018 Will Be Live Streamed

Beach Stylers 2018 - TrophiesBeach Styler’s 2018 will be Live Streamed.

Beach Styler’s is hosted by Dave and Amy Schiller, on the beach in San Diego, Ca and will take place on Oct 6 – 7. There are several things that make this event stand out. First, the beach wind is almost always perfect. Combine that with a group of locals who are pure wind jammers and you have a shred fest waiting to happen. Then, there’s the event format. It includes a pairs/co-op division, an individual division, an air brushing race, and the famed mob-ob division. This event is a true test of a Freestyler’s skills, and offers some of the best conditions to throw down.

Lori and I will be bringing the gear for a single camera setup. Last time, the bandwidth was limited at the beach, so I can not promise a high quality picture, but we will bring as much of the action as we can. Find out more information at the event’s Facebook Page.

If you won’t be there in person, than I hope to see you online. Watch here.

You Shredded Guys – Make a Fan Out of You

This year at FPAW 2018, team FrisbeeGuru tried their hand at commentating during the live stream. Raphael Legrande, the creator of the Pixel Jammily, used this scenario as inspiration to create a comic strip series called “You Shredded Guys”. In it he creates fictional moments between Randy and I, poking fun at us in order to make us all laugh. This is all meant in jest and is not based on any real events. The three of us hope you enjoy this comic and look forward to more episodes in the future. Thanks, Raphael, for sharing your creation with us.

Comic Strip

FPAW 2002 Iconic Routines – Never Before Seen Online

Thought to be lost to the ages, I discovered these while going through old Hi tapes. Matt and I used to carry a Hi8 camcorder to events so who knows what else might turn up. Today’s installment:

  1. FPAW 2002 Co-Op Winners: Ted Oberhaus, Erwin Velasquez, and Randy Silvey perform the infamous rubber band routine.
  2. FPAW 2002 Mixed Pairs Winners: Cindy Saint Marry and Paul Kenny. This is Cindy’s first Mixed Pairs win and Paul’s first FPAW win.


Freestyle Handle-Skills for all Disc Sports

Ken WesterfieldPart of FrisbeeGuru’s mission is to aide in the growth of Freestyle Frisbee. In this guest post, Ken Westerfield shares his vision for sharing Freestyle to Ultimate players. Ken is a Frisbee (disc) player from the 1960s and a Hall of Fame inductee in freestyle, ultimate and disc golf. Thanks, Ken, for this submission!


“All disc sports are rooted in early freestyle play. No disc sport plays at a higher level of handling skill than freestyle, therefore it stands to reason that any disc sport requiring any degree of disc handling skill could be greatly advantaged by having skill in freestyle”.

Even before the game of Gut’s, people were trick throwing and catching the Frisbee behind the back and under their legs, freestyle, although not yet called that, was the original play with a plastic flying disc, maybe even with the pie tin. Freestyle competitions and the touring freestyle performers in the 1970s were the events that began showing people that Frisbee skills could be more than just recreational beach play with a toy. Popular, competitive disc sports like ultimate and disc golf are excellent flying disc games and are much better than their ball counterparts, but as a skilled flying disc handling activity, there’s nothing more uniquely, self-challenging than playing freestyle with a flying disc. As disc sports become more popular, freestyle may evolve in content and direction. More freestyle-like games and events may become new disc sports in the future. In the meantime, since there are elements of freestyle play in every disc sport, it’s time to start convincing disc athletes to include some form of regular freestyle play as a good exercise for handle-skill improvement. As their freestyle skill evolves they will gain an appreciation for freestyle as a sport and a few may even make the conversion to freestyling for fun and even competitively.

There’s a potential for a new generation of young freestylers, currently playing other disc sports, especially ultimate. Ultimate is fast becoming the breakout disc sport of the future, using many of the freestyle throwing techniques that made early freestyle popular. Ultimate’s flying disc uniqueness, mixed gender competition, ease of play anywhere without restrictive equipment, as well as a working self-imposed attitude of good sportsmanship (SOTG), during a competition, is going to make ultimate a very popular sport in the future. I would never want to see freestyle catching included into the game of ultimate (keep it simple), but if we can show ultimate players that there are some playing benefits that can come from learning freestyle throwing and catching, as a training option, freestyle could end up sharing ultimate’s future playing popularity.

Trick Catch

Vancouver Sun Newspaper, 1974

Freestyle, prior to 1975: Play was fast and throws were hard with a smaller Pro Model Frisbee. The play would actually resemble a good tennis volley, especially when done on a hard surface, with lots of running, jumping and fast freestyle catching. After 1973, tips and kicks were invented, larger Frisbee’s were preferred, then came delay moves, and the game began to change. So by 1975, the quick, throw, catch and flow game was over. However, this early version of freestyle play, using a 175g ultimate disc instead of a Pro Model, could interest and benefit ultimate players. An uncomplicated freestyle option that would be easy to learn with play similar to the running, throwing and catching skills used in today’s ultimate. I know the benefits because this is the type of freestyle play I did before I played ultimate and I know how much having this freestyle throwing and catching skill advantaged me as a handler.

I originally wrote these ultimate handle-training articles a few years ago for ultimate players, to be read at several online ultimate websites, Fast Freestyle the Ultimate Edge on Ultimate Rob and 8 Reasons to Include Freestyle to Your Ultimate Training on Ultiworld’s site. It promotes fast-freestyle, speed-flow, (early freestyle, pre-1975) as an “extreme throw and catch exercise” for ultimate players.

Most sports do have a freestyle component for a reason. Professional soccer players can bounce a soccer ball on their head, knees and feet almost endlessly without a break. This skill does not come with the play of the game, it’s a skill that has to be developed. As well as practicing their timing, they do this routine to develop their mental and physical connection with the ball. This skill is as much a mental exercise as it is physical. As a result of this exercise, soccer freestyle is becoming popular and has its own competitions.

To develop playing skills in any sport, it helps to include multiple training activities that can isolate and improve every playing skill and strength that is required for that sport. Athletes often include cross-training sports to improve skill and strength in their primary sport. Freestyle is the cross-trainer for all other disc sports. Ask any ultimate player that has freestyle skill and I’m sure that they will agree. Ultimate is not a complicated game. There still isn’t much in the way of strategic plays with coaching genius. There’s man or zone, don’t clog up the passing lane. It’s a game of throw and catch, the team that makes the least amount of mistakes doing that, wins.

Photo by Ed Yourdon

In my “Freestyle for Ultimate Handle Training” articles, there are techniques of freestyle play outlined that as freestylers you can convincingly present to friends and disc athlete’s who play ultimate and other disc sports. You will see, if you read my articles, I’m not promoting delay moves, the use of delay paraphernalia or even spray for this exercise. Ultimate players have already shown that they enjoy running, throwing and catching and are already doing many of the throws that we used to consider to be freestyle throws, even air-bounce. So for freestylers that know this type of play and are already involved in ultimate, whether competing or organizing ultimate events; presenting a basic throw and catch, pre-delay version of freestyle is a great place to begin, allowing ultimate players to easily see a type of freestyle play that most closely resembles the skills required for their own disc sport. Once new players are able to experience the basic fundamentals and original play of freestyle and realize it’s potential, they can play freestyle anyway they like.

I’m not saying freestyle skills are always necessary for handle-skill improvement but for ultimate players that already have excellent handle-skills, it could just be an effective (cross-training) way to improve, strengthen and maintain them. For the ultimate player just starting out, freestyle could be a fast and fun way to learn handle-skills, especially for wind conditions and catching with one-hand. In the future when ultimate teams are looking for every competitive edge, I have no doubt that freestyle will be an integral part of ultimate training. I feel that a throw and catch freestyle, as a training exercise for ultimate handling skills, could be compared to the mental and physical abilities that can be derived from martial arts training and how that type of training can assist in developing confidence and skills that are used in fighting sports. If we want new players to check out freestyle, we need to take the sport to them, by showing players of other disc sports that freestyle isn’t a different activity with unique skills, but can also be played as a fun similar skilled activity, improving the handle-skills for the disc sport they already play.

In the future, I’m still not sure if freestyle will be popular as its own competitive sport or be more of an art-form recreation, exercise or skilled discipline, like dance and martial arts. Either way the future is bright for freestyle. As long as some disc sports are growing in popularity, freestyle will always be there, as an alternative or addition to competitive disc sports. I know that as new ultimate players go to the parks and athletic fields to practice their two-handed rim and clap catching, that either by accident or intent, they will eventually try something a little different with a throw or a catch and when they do, that’ll be it.

Ken Westerfield

Note:  What I’ve outlined, is a way for freestylers already involved in other disc sports, like ultimate or disc golf, to grow interest in freestyle, by presenting a simple non-paraphernalia freestyle play option that might appeal to athletes of other disc sports. Start with the basic throw and catch, the main attraction and common activity most closely related to all the disc sports. Today’s freestylers should not only think of themselves as players and jammers but also think of themselves as pioneering and teaching a disc sport that is still developing. The big difference between yesterday and today’s freestyle potential is that today there are millions of people and disc sport players that have accepted the flying disc as an implement to be used in sport. I’ve played all the disc sports well enough to understand what each sport has to offer athletically and I know without a doubt that what freestyle has to offer, no matter how you choose to play it, is unparalleled in its play.There’s no score keeping or competition necessary to enjoy freestyle. Freestyle is completely unique to the flying disc and there’s no other sport or recreation like it.

Videos of freestyle Throwing and Catching

A short film of throw and catch freestyle by early freestyle champion Krae Van Sickle


Freestyle throwing by DC Breeze ultimate player Rowan Mcdonnell. Maybe not realizing that these are early freestyle throwing techniques. Because nobody has seen freestyle throwing styles since the 1970s, they think these throws are new and for new ultimate players, they are.


Ultimate players playing freestyle in between ultimate games. This is what we should be seeing at every ultimate tournament


About Ken Westerfield

Ken Westerfield is a Frisbee (disc) player from the 1960s. A Hall of Fame inductee in freestyle, ultimate and disc golf. Westerfield co-produced and was TD for early Frisbee and disc sport championships, including the Canadian Open Frisbee Championships, Toronto (1972-1985), the Vancouver Open Frisbee Championships (1974-1976), the Santa Cruz Flying Disc Classic, Santa Cruz, California (1978), the Labatt’s World Guts Championships, Toronto (1986) and the World PDGA Disc Golf Championships, Toronto (1987). World record, MTA, 15 seconds in 1975 and one of three to ever throw a Frisbee over 500′ (552’ in 1978), both thrown with a sidearm. Many competitive wins in freestyle, ultimate, disc golf, distance and other individual events in over-all NAS competitions in the 1970s. Invented freestyle moves, including “body-rolls” and with Jim Kenner introduced the first freestyle competition at his 1974 Canadian Open Frisbee Championships, Toronto, Canada. Westerfield was one of the original freestylers from the 1960s and used his expertise, with other freestylers, in several company-sponsored touring promotional Frisbee show tours for Irwin Toy, (Frisbee distributor in Canada 1972–76), Molson Frisbee Team (1974–77), Adidas Canada (1974-1979), Goodtimes Professional Frisbee Show (1978–82), Orange Crush Frisbee Team (1977–78), Air Canada Frisbee Team (1978–79), Lee Jeans Frisbee Team (1979–80) and the Labatt’s Schooner Frisbee Team (1983–85).
Westerfield played on Santa Cruz’s first ultimate team (Good Times), in the first two years of California’s first ultimate league, the Northern California Ultimate Frisbee League (NCUFL 1977-1978). Ken also brought early ultimate play to Canada with demonstrations in 1975 at his Canadian Open Frisbee Competitions on Toronto Island and with Chris Lowcock, Bob Blakely, Jim Lim, Toronto Beach freestylers Patrick Chartrand and Stuart Godfrey, started the first ultimate league in Canada called the Toronto Ultimate Club, (1979 and still running, 250 teams and 3500 active members). Ken and his Toronto ultimate team Darkside, won the first Canadian National Ultimate Championships, Ottawa, 1987.

Episode 76: Stork Provides Deep Insight to Wham-o History

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Torneo Freestyle Frisbee will be Live Streamed

AIF TournamentThe Associazione Italiana Frisbee (AIF) is hosting the Torneo Freestyle Frisbee and, thanks to Martino Mandragora, the event will be live streamed right here on FrisbeeGuru. The event takes place in Milan, Italy on Sept 22 & 23. On the roster is a mix of highly capable, well known players and some closet jammers who are bound to impress. Competition includes Open and Mixed pairs. In addition, the AIF will be honoring Valentino De Chiara, the founder of the AIF and new inductee to the Freestyle Frisbee Hall of Fame. Check out the promo video on facebook. For more info, check the event facebook page.